![Robert F. Bukaty James Herling pauses his testimony while recalling the moment he realized the shooter was his brother-in-law, Robert Card, while testifying, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. Nicole Herling, sister of the shooter, cries on her husband's shoulder. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/07d3a71265e3425494f49b2e4d70ed72/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
James Herling pauses his testimony while recalling the moment he realized the shooter was his brother-in-law, Robert Card, while testifying, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. Nicole Herling, sister of the shooter, cries on her husband's shoulder. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
![Robert F. Bukaty Nicole Herling, sister of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/3f55f9266390413f96caf12abfe10ee8/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
Nicole Herling, sister of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
![Robert F. Bukaty Cara Lamb, ex-wife of shooter Robert Card, is comforted as she testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/6b84b257290847d2aa97a475bf5bc817/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
Cara Lamb, ex-wife of shooter Robert Card, is comforted as she testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
![Robert F. Bukaty Katie Card, sister-in-law of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/7c2d22b33cca4bf6ac88ff952ed5154e/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
Katie Card, sister-in-law of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
![Robert F. Bukaty Nicole Herling, sister of shooter Robert Card, rests her hand on her brother's military helmet, while testifying, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/371f5fcdb8ef42e283b04c8c966868c4/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
Nicole Herling, sister of shooter Robert Card, rests her hand on her brother's military helmet, while testifying, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
![Robert F. Bukaty Cara Lamb, ex-wife of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/e0d31bcc222140668ea23abda4828d8c/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
Cara Lamb, ex-wife of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
![Matt York FILE - Community members look at a memorial outside Schemengees Bar & Grille about one week after a mass shooting, Nov. 3, 2023, in Lewiston, Maine. An independent commission investigating the mass shooting that left 18 people dead in Maine is scheduled to hear from the family of the shooter, Robert Card, for the first time on Thursday, May 15, 2024. (AP Photo/Matt York, File)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/43425f1ef5e0475bb8d894d489d76d87/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
FILE - Community members look at a memorial outside Schemengees Bar & Grille about one week after a mass shooting, Nov. 3, 2023, in Lewiston, Maine. An independent commission investigating the mass shooting that left 18 people dead in Maine is scheduled to hear from the family of the shooter, Robert Card, for the first time on Thursday, May 15, 2024. (AP Photo/Matt York, File)
![Robert F. Bukaty Nicole Herling, sister of shooter Robert Card, testifies Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/6f327dac0d6443f3840f677ebd93d0ac/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
Nicole Herling, sister of shooter Robert Card, testifies Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
![Robert F. Bukaty Members of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine, listen as Nicole Herling, sister of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/41b8739bfbfc4d0a9ac35eedb668fe1c/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
Members of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine, listen as Nicole Herling, sister of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
![Robert F. Bukaty Cara Lamb, ex-wife of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/71319af4bc5844358a7cf4a4bf4e594a/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
Cara Lamb, ex-wife of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)
![Robert F. Bukaty Cara Lamb, ex-wife of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)](https://mapi.associatedpress.com/v2/items/21db1bb613ed4c9bab1c37ec62a736c3/preview/preview.jpg?s=680x)
Cara Lamb, ex-wife of shooter Robert Card, testifies, Thursday, May 16, 2024, in Augusta, Maine, during a hearing of the independent commission investigating the law enforcement response to the mass shooting in Lewiston, Maine. (AP Photo/Robert F. Bukaty)